I didn't mean to reveal this so soon, but it's probably best that I let everyone know now. I have started a new alliance, a supplement, not a competitor, to NIWA. There are four distinct reasons I created this alliance (http://dawn.wikkii.com/wiki/Main_Page).
1.) To expose Wikia wikis to Monobook. DAWN also wants to show them the freedom a wiki can have when hosted off of Wikia. The alliance itself is hosted on Wikkii, so Wikia users, many of whom are beginners at editing, can get used to editing without the rich text editor. The alliance has a firm, though not rock-hard, stance against Wikia.
2.) To act as a minor league for NIWA wikis. How many of you guys knew we had developing wikis for Chibi-Robo!, Ace Attorney, Professor Layton, and Fire Emblem numerous franchises? I'm guessing most of you did not. That's because they have never been compiled into an organized page that new users are exposed to. The new alliance gives developing wikis some sort of spotlight.
3.) To act as a home for wikis that don't have immediate plans to leave Wikkii. Honestly, nothing is wrong with Wikkii.
4.) To act as an example for NIWA. Some of you guys have had grievances with NIWA - its issue of secrecy for example. The new alliance hopes to show NIWA that this user aristocracy is not necessary. If someone has any ideas that NIWA is not so willing to implement, maybe the new alliance will try it out and see how it works. This is not a knock against NIWA; it is understandable that an organization as developed as NIWA will be reluctant to enact changes because they could backfire. Because DAWN is rather small, it is easier to correct any problems that arise from the new ideas.
I just want to reiterate that DAWN does not mean to compete. DAWN will continue to improve and expand - it's up to NIWA whether they want to work in cooperation with or in spite of it DAWN or not. For those of you who are interested after reading all of this, feel free to visit DAWN (http://dawn.wikkii.com/wiki/Main_Page).
To me, this doesn't seem like that bad of an idea. As you said, it could have many uses.
Would this be a sort of "gateway" for wikis that do plan to join NIWA?
I do like the idea. An alliance to work alongside NIWA. Just one thing though. Why a 100 article requirement? If it's a development alliance, it would make sense to have a requirement of at least 10 articles rather than 90 more.
Quote from: vince220 on December 23, 2010, 10:52:21 PM
How many of you guys knew we had developing wikis for Chibi-Robo!, Ace Attorney, Professor Layton, and Fire Emblem.
I knew about them. Granted I founded one, but still.
Quote from: TurtwigA on December 24, 2010, 04:20:15 AM
I do like the idea. An alliance to work alongside NIWA. Just one thing though. Why a 100 article requirement? If it's a development alliance, it would make sense to have a requirement of at least 10 articles rather than 90 more.
Quote from: vince220 on December 23, 2010, 10:52:21 PM
How many of you guys knew we had developing wikis for Chibi-Robo!, Ace Attorney, Professor Layton, and Fire Emblem.
I knew about them. Granted I founded one, but still.
Maybe a one hundred article limit is a little steep; ten articles may be a little low, though. Each wiki, ideally, should have a solid foundation upon which to build. Perhaps, twenty-five is a more reasonable number?
I like the idea, I think. Two things right off the bat that I'm worried about.
1) You use "I" and "me" throughout your opening post. Now, granted you can take credit for this idea, but you aren't going to run this yourself, I hope. ;)
2) I'm imagining a situation in which DAWN would include a wiki that does not qualify for inclusion into NIWA. Let's take Spectrobes, for example, which I believe is on your list of potential members. Developed by Jupiter and Genki, published by Disney Interactive Studios. It's not my decision to make, but I don't think Spectrobes qualifies for NIWA. Now, this really isn't a problem persay, except that for some of these wikis, it may seem like you're offering a promise you can't keep. As long as each of them knows that just because you include them in DAWN, that doesn't necessarily mean they will qualify for NIWA, regardless of quality.
Those are two very good points.
1.) I will go back and change the pronouns where I see fit. I'm sure I typed some of them subconsciously.
2.) The alliance doesn't mean to promise any wikis anything on behalf of NIWA. The alliance will be run as an entity independent of NIWA. I did mention that it could be used as a minor league for potential NIWA wikis, but that is not its primary purpose. The primary purpose of DAWN is to develop wikis and give them a professional tone (AKA get them off Wikia). It is up to the wiki what to do after they are developed. NIWA may be a logical next step, but DAWN will not actively push for that. It is up to NIWA to recruit wikis; of course, if both the wiki and NIWA agree on a move, DAWN will back the idea 100%. In fact, I believe I only mention NIWA once (http://dawn.wikkii.com/wiki/Create_a_Wiki) on DAWN, and I specifically tell prospective wikis to contact NIWA for more information.
Wherenis this Ace Attorney wiki?
Quote from: vince220 on December 23, 2010, 10:52:21 PM
4.) To act as an example for NIWA. I know many of you guys have had grievances with NIWA - its issue of privacy for example. The new alliance hopes to show NIWA that this user aristocracy is not necessary.
I have no idea what you're talking about with this, and I literally research internet privacy issues for a living. What grievances with regards to privacy? Maybe I'm just busy and distracted, but I can't say I've seen any, and certainly none have been brought to my attention.
Quote from: vince220 on December 24, 2010, 06:23:42 AM
Those are two very good points.
1.) I will go back and change the pronouns where I see fit. I'm sure I typed some of them subconsciously.
2.) The alliance doesn't mean to promise any wikis anything on behalf of NIWA. The alliance will be run as an entity independent of NIWA. I did mention that it could be used as a minor league for potential NIWA wikis, but that is not its primary purpose. The primary purpose of DAWN is to develop wikis and give them a professional tone (AKA get them off Wikia). It is up to the wiki what to do after they are developed. NIWA may be a logical next step, but DAWN will not actively push for that. It is up to NIWA to recruit wikis; of course, if both the wiki and NIWA agree on a move, DAWN will back the idea 100%. In fact, I believe I only mention NIWA once (http://dawn.wikkii.com/wiki/Create_a_Wiki) on DAWN, and I specifically tell prospective wikis to contact NIWA for more information.
Well, good then. You've quite perfectly addressed both my concerns ;D. I look forward to seeing DAWN grow.
Quote from: Archaic on December 24, 2010, 01:34:18 PM
Quote from: vince220 on December 23, 2010, 10:52:21 PM
4.) To act as an example for NIWA. I know many of you guys have had grievances with NIWA - its issue of privacy for example. The new alliance hopes to show NIWA that this user aristocracy is not necessary.
I have no idea what you're talking about with this, and I literally research internet privacy issues for a living. What grievances with regards to privacy? Maybe I'm just busy and distracted, but I can't say I've seen any, and certainly none have been brought to my attention.
I believe he is referring to secrecy, not privacy. A while back, some of us non-staff users commented on how annoying it is when we mention something and the response is "we already talked about that on the staff boards" or "it's a secret to everybody". Is that what you're referring to, vince?
Yes, I meant the issue of secrecy. NIWA does a good job of keeping user information private. I will change the wording right now to prevent any more confusion regarding that.
Level 3 - Here is the Ace Attorney Wiki. Sorry, the wiki's owner doesn't want me to link to the wiki. :(
On the issue of secrecy then...
Can I ask what website out there does not operate in exactly that same manner, with a clear deliniation between staff and regular members? How are we supposed to come up with fun and exciting surprises that will excite and delight everyone if we tell everyone what they are months in advance.
Honestly though, I think people have a very warped perspective of what's actually discussed in the staff forums. Some people seem to be looking at them as if enormous amounts of posts are being made there, on a huge range of topics, where that's simply not the case.
Quote from: vince220 on December 24, 2010, 03:54:49 PM
Yes, I meant the issue of secrecy. NIWA does a good job of keeping user information private. I will change the wording right now to prevent any more confusion regarding that.
Level 3 - Here is the Ace Attorney Wiki (http://aceattorney.wikkii.com/wiki/Main_Page).
Remove mention of it from your posts. That happens to be my wiki and I don't recall affiliating with DAWN in any way. That wiki is in no way included in your "we", especially before you even consult me ln that matter.
Quote from: Archaic on December 24, 2010, 04:10:04 PM
On the issue of secrecy then...
Can I ask what website out there does not operate in exactly that same manner, with a clear deliniation between staff and regular members? How are we supposed to come up with fun and exciting surprises that will excite and delight everyone if we tell everyone what they are months in advance.
I'm not saying either way is better. I'm just saying DAWN will try it out and see how it works. If it works, then great; maybe NIWA can follow its example. If it doesn't work and DAWN crashes and burns as a result, then at least we know for sure it doesn't work. For that point, think of DAWN as a smaller-scale test subject. It will be open to new ideas that NIWA may not be ready to implement. If I were in NIWA's shoes, I would be reluctant to enact major changes without seeing it succeed on a smaller scale. This doesn't only apply to secrecy; it applies to any new idea that someone may have for an alliance.
Quote from: Level 3 on December 24, 2010, 04:22:29 PM
Remove mention of it from your posts. That happens to be my wiki and I don't recall affiliating with DAWN in any way. That wiki is in no way included in your "we", especially before you even consult me ln that matter.
Done.
Quote from: vince220 on December 24, 2010, 04:39:57 PM
Quote from: Archaic on December 24, 2010, 04:10:04 PM
On the issue of secrecy then...
Can I ask what website out there does not operate in exactly that same manner, with a clear deliniation between staff and regular members? How are we supposed to come up with fun and exciting surprises that will excite and delight everyone if we tell everyone what they are months in advance.
I'm not saying either way is better. I'm just saying DAWN will try it out and see how it works. If it works, then great; maybe NIWA can follow its example. If it doesn't work and DAWN crashes and burns as a result, then at least we know for sure it doesn't work. For that point, think of DAWN as a smaller-scale test subject. It will be open to new ideas that NIWA may not be ready to implement. If I were in NIWA's shoes, I would be reluctant to enact major changes without seeing it succeed on a smaller scale. This doesn't only apply to secrecy; it applies to any new idea that someone may have for an alliance.
Quote from: Level 3 on December 24, 2010, 04:22:29 PM
Remove mention of it from your posts. That happens to be my wiki and I don't recall affiliating with DAWN in any way. That wiki is in no way included in your "we", especially before you even consult me ln that matter.
Done.
As soon as you pulled the link, you assisted in secrecy and user aristocracy too. Since you know at least that one thing that isn't totally public knowledge, that puts you in the AAW owner's circle of contacts and not just in the general public sphere. That's all we do, but on a much larger scale and often involving many more people's secret projects. So while on the outside of some things, it may seem so horrendous, it's generally trivial and necessary to ensure anything we have planned isn't undermined by some trolls from Wikia. There's really nothing to bemoan about what you can't see in NIWA.
Let me just reiterate that secrecy is not the major point. My point is that DAWN is willing to experiment with new ideas that NIWA may not be ready to implement. The lack of secret discussion is just one of those ideas. DAWN can implement future changes if a situation arises in which NIWA or its members are unsure if an alliance idea will work or not. Out of curiosity though, what does AAW mean?
For the record, I pulled the link because it was irrelevant. If anyone feels otherwise, contact me privately; I will gladly, and in full detail, tell you what's going on.
AAW=
Ace
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I do encourage you to continue your project. Seeing that your last post even invites private discussion proves the point you aren't acknowledging. Secret discussions are going to be a part of any project. You'll realize that one day.
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...it's up to NIWA whether they want to work in cooperation with or in spite of...
There isn't anything (that I know of) that NIWA is operating in spite of. Some may say we operate in spite of Wikia, but I believe NIWA was inevitable, even if Wikia never existed, we would. Unlike forums, blogs, and other general websites, wikis are a collaborative project revolving around the same core software. Most significantly, wikis don't command loyalty like forums do. Most forums allow discussions for any game, even outside of the home theme. Wikis stick to their theme, so Zelda Wiki editors went to Mario Wiki for Mario content. It was just a matter of time before we got together and made it the official site companion.
Quote from: Axiomist on December 24, 2010, 04:47:34 PM
Quote from: vince220 on December 24, 2010, 04:39:57 PM
Quote from: Archaic on December 24, 2010, 04:10:04 PM
On the issue of secrecy then...
Can I ask what website out there does not operate in exactly that same manner, with a clear deliniation between staff and regular members? How are we supposed to come up with fun and exciting surprises that will excite and delight everyone if we tell everyone what they are months in advance.
I'm not saying either way is better. I'm just saying DAWN will try it out and see how it works. If it works, then great; maybe NIWA can follow its example. If it doesn't work and DAWN crashes and burns as a result, then at least we know for sure it doesn't work. For that point, think of DAWN as a smaller-scale test subject. It will be open to new ideas that NIWA may not be ready to implement. If I were in NIWA's shoes, I would be reluctant to enact major changes without seeing it succeed on a smaller scale. This doesn't only apply to secrecy; it applies to any new idea that someone may have for an alliance.
Quote from: Level 3 on December 24, 2010, 04:22:29 PM
Remove mention of it from your posts. That happens to be my wiki and I don't recall affiliating with DAWN in any way. That wiki is in no way included in your "we", especially before you even consult me ln that matter.
Done.
As soon as you pulled the link, you assisted in secrecy and user aristocracy too. Since you know at least that one thing that isn't totally public knowledge, that puts you in the AAW owner's circle of contacts and not just in the general public sphere. That's all we do, but on a much larger scale and often involving many more people's secret projects. So while on the outside of some things, it may seem so horrendous, it's generally trivial and necessary to ensure anything we have planned isn't undermined by some trolls from Wikia. There's really nothing to bemoan about what you can't see in NIWA.
While I do agree with you in this I just want to bring up that tje wiki isn't secret, it has it's iwn thread, it's just that it seemed to be placed into DAWN without my consent.
I think everyone here realizes that in order for a group to operate that has both public and private faces, some levels of secrecy are needed. The question is the balance of secrecy.
Personally, I think it's a wonderful idea.
Looking good. Good luck with it.
It's just frustrating for us on Staff because we are blatantly told you either A.) Think we're incompetent or B.) Think we're just working to boost our egos.
There is no imbalance of "secrecy" - we discuss normal staff things in our private staff boards. I've been on many website staffs, and this one is actually much more open than most.
We offer a lot of help to any wiki who wants it. I get a lot of emails and we try to help everybody, whether they plan to become independent or not, if they're Nintendo-related or not. We recently decided to affiliate with a Simpson's Wiki.
I wish you luck on your project, but I feel like your particular grievances against NIWA are not founded in any sort of facts about the organization.
Quote from: Xizor on December 25, 2010, 09:14:21 AM
There is no imbalance of "secrecy" - we discuss normal staff things in our private staff boards. I've been on many website staffs, and this one is actually much more open than most.
Glad I'm not the only one who felt that was the case.
Quote from: Neo on December 26, 2010, 05:27:51 AM
Quote from: Xizor on December 25, 2010, 09:14:21 AM
There is no imbalance of "secrecy" - we discuss normal staff things in our private staff boards. I've been on many website staffs, and this one is actually much more open than most.
Glad I'm not the only one who felt that was the case.
Honestly, when I got here I was surprised at how secretive the staff were, trust me, these staff are not secretive.
The only thing I know staff discuss in secret is new members and afiliates as well as interwiki things that are the job of the staff. That's normal and anyone who complains about this is jus a bit ignorant.
Before we go any further on this discussion of "imbalance of secrecy", let's just realize one thing: The only people who would be able to know for certain if there was an imbalance of secrecy are the staff. Since everything is behind closed doors, and a lack of information presented to regular members on how the staff operates, it does create plenty of room in the imagination that the staff are discussing far more than is true.
Moving onto the main point of why this thread was created:
Oh hey, a developmental wiki alliance has formed! Although Xizor recently mentioned that NIWA does indeed help developing wikis, I do think that having DAWN could help out NIWA greatly. There seems to be a concern as of late that NIWA should focus on NIWA, so any group that can help take care of dependent wikis should be appreciated.
"NIWA should focus on NIWA" means NIWA should focus on its own interests. That includes helping developing Wikis, which was one of our original intents and purposes.
NIWA and DAWN can co-exist, NIWA can do what NIWA wants to do and DAWN can do what DAWN wants to do; neither organization should attempt to mold the other.
Quote from: Nintendoguy1 on December 27, 2010, 12:14:11 AM
NIWA and DAWN can co-exist, NIWA can do what NIWA wants to do and DAWN can do what DAWN wants to do; neither organization should attempt to mold the other.
Agreed.
Quote from: tacopill on December 27, 2010, 03:02:15 AM
Quote from: Nintendoguy1 on December 27, 2010, 12:14:11 AM
NIWA and DAWN can co-exist, NIWA can do what NIWA wants to do and DAWN can do what DAWN wants to do; neither organization should attempt to mold the other.
Agreed.
Sure, we can coexist. I think the fundamental problem, really, is that both networks are essentially aiming to add the same members. I think our "original" mark for amount of articles was 200. I remember when founding Metroid Wiki that it was the goal to hit 200 before inclusion, and even in doing that we already had massive support from NIWA. We had guys from Zelda Wiki, Bulbapedia, and Super Mario Wiki that were all helping us out. It was rather amazing really. While the support may not be as heavy fromt hose 3 as it was at the start, the overall support has grown much wider. Fact is, a lot of us "major" staff members at other wiki's have interest in other games, so we are more then happy to help newer/under utilized wiki's out.
On the point of secrecy - I don't think it's that bad. In fact, I have been kept up to date on the ongoings at times simply by reading the NIWA PUBLIC Skype chat. A chat that more than just staff uses, and I hear staff discussions there. We're pretty open and free verse with what is going on. While we may have talks like redesigning the hub page that isn't public, does it need to be?
In terms of what is actually private - it's mainly just the inclusion and disclusion of a specific wiki. If you can't tell - our doors have been pretty wide open. In just one year we grew from 3 wikis to 16. At the continued growing rate we'll be close to 40 by the end of 2011.
I don't have an issue with co-existing, and I am always one up for new ideas. I like the concept of "open discussion on everything" - it's actually a concept we use in running ZI. We are a free verse, open to all community. We have a staff room which we use primarily to organize everything more so than to make decisions. We pretty much let everyone, staff, fans, even haters, have a say in how our site operates... with an occasional surprise. We also have one loose rule on the forums, which has lead to great success for us.
Point is that even with how open we are, we still have staff boards because, frankly. it's really hard to organize something when you have "thousands of people" trying to talk at once. We will listen to those people, adn then we'll organize it behind the scenes so as not to get things derailed. We'll then go from there with any changes people suggest.
We've changed a lot on our site at the whim of people simply asking - be it comments or on the forums, or through email.
While I wished NIWA to run similar to ZI, fact remains that for a place to work the way we function requires just the right "type" of people in charge. It wont work for everyone. It wouldn't work here.
I am well aware oft he reputation NIWA has (on the negative side) and honestly, that is mostly through misperception or people simply forming an opinion without actually ASKING what is going on. Frankly, if any of you pm'd me and ASKED me straight up what is going on with x - I'll look and give you a direct answer. I'm not hiding anything from anyone. I doubt any of us are outside of happy surprises.
So, whats the problem here folks? Oh another network inspired by us wants to form with a new concept? Cool, good for them. Just going to be slim pickems because either way you slice it, we're "competing" for the same wikis.
Quote from: Nathan on December 29, 2010, 05:50:51 AM
Sure, we can coexist. I think the fundamental problem, really, is that both networks are essentially aiming to add the same members.
Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with, or a member of DAWN in any way.
I don't think that the problem you list exists. To my knowledge, neither NIWA nor DAWN will exclude members because they are involved in other IWAs. DAWN and NIWA have different focuses anyways: DAWN focuses on developing wikis that still need help, while NIWA focuses on wikis that are independent and can stand up for themselves. Yes, NIWA does help developing wikis, and I'm sure that DAWN will help independent wikis, but that isn't the primary focus.
QuoteIn terms of what is actually private - it's mainly just the inclusion and disclusion of a specific wiki. If you can't tell - our doors have been pretty wide open. In just one year we grew from 3 wikis to 16. At the continued growing rate we'll be close to 40 by the end of 2011.
I suspect that was just set up as an example, but just in case: Does Nintendo even have 40 unique series, or are you hinting as the possibility of expansion to 3rd party franchises, or maybe something else is planned?
QuoteI am well aware oft he reputation NIWA has (on the negative side) and honestly, that is mostly through misperception or people simply forming an opinion without actually ASKING what is going on. Frankly, if any of you pm'd me and ASKED me straight up what is going on with x - I'll look and give you a direct answer. I'm not hiding anything from anyone. I doubt any of us are outside of happy surprises.
I will certainly keep that offer in mind.
QuoteSo, whats the problem here folks? Oh another network inspired by us wants to form with a new concept? Cool, good for them. Just going to be slim pickems because either way you slice it, we're "competing" for the same wikis.
Again, I don't see how NIWA and DAWN can run into problems with each other. Yes, they focus on Nintendo wikis, but at entirely different stages of development. Unless NIWA is going to start allowing in wikifarm wikis, I don't see how we'll be competing for the same wikis.
If there is something I am missing about what NIWA's focus is, please do tell me.
Quote from: tacopill on December 27, 2010, 03:02:15 AM
Quote from: Nintendoguy1 on December 27, 2010, 12:14:11 AM
NIWA and DAWN can co-exist, NIWA can do what NIWA wants to do and DAWN can do what DAWN wants to do; neither organization should attempt to mold the other.
Agreed.
I agree with tacopill and Nintendoguy.
Quote from: Xizor on December 25, 2010, 09:14:21 AM
It's just frustrating for us on Staff because we are blatantly told you either A.) Think we're incompetent or B.) Think we're just working to boost our egos.
I don't think that NIWA is incompetent. NIWA's members are some of the most skilled MediaWiki editors on the internet. However, a good majority NIWA's members do have other projects on their plates.
Quote from: Nathan on December 29, 2010, 05:50:51 AM
So, whats the problem here folks? Oh another network inspired by us wants to form with a new concept? Cool, good for them. Just going to be slim pickems because either way you slice it, we're "competing" for the same wikis.
I don't think that the alliances cater to the same wikis at all. Not a single wiki in DAWN is eligible for NIWA. Also, DAWN won't try to convince any wiki to stay exclusively in DAWN if a situation ever arises in which a member is eligible for NIWA. As for the other way around, DAWN has no interest in actively recruiting current NIWA members.
As a side note, I edited the original post to better clarify DAWN's motives.
Quote from: vince220 on January 02, 2011, 04:25:57 AM
As a side note, I edited the original post to better clarify DAWN's motives.
Thank you for changing those.
Quote from: Maxite on December 29, 2010, 07:31:05 AM
are you hinting as the possibility of expansion to 3rd party franchises, or maybe something else is planned?
That's a possibility, yes. NIWA's future direction is currently being discussed, but the discussion has only just begun so there is nothing definite yet.
One of the possibilities being discussed would be to lend a hand establishing other wiki alliances that NIWA would then ally with to provide wider coverage. The proposed "SEIWA" (for Square Enix-related wikis) is a key example of this. That one doesn't have to be the first, of course; if someone wanted to establish a wiki alliance for Microsoft or whatever the staff would certainly be looking for ways for the two to help each other out despite the companies themselves being bitter rivals. :)
In the shorter term there are certainly some first-party Nintendo franchises remaining that NIWA doesn't have member wikis for yet, and those gaps will hopefully be filled this year.
Just want to say I've started a wiki about Game & Watch called "WatchWiki (http://gameandwatch.wikkii.com/wiki/Super_Smash_Bros._Brawl)". It's currently only got the one article, but I'm hoping soon enough it will have enough to join DAWN.
Btw, the page on Smash Bros. has a link to SmashWiki in the first sentence. Just to make this clear, I am in no way claiming affiliation with SmashWiki or NIWA. I just consider them the main knowledge on all things Smash Bros. and thought they'd be a good link to have for people who wanted more info.
Quote from: Manga Maniac on January 20, 2011, 06:35:34 PM
Just want to say I've started a wiki about Game & Watch called "WatchWiki (http://gameandwatch.wikkii.com/wiki/Super_Smash_Bros._Brawl)". It's currently only got the one article, but I'm hoping soon enough it will have enough to join DAWN.
Btw, the page on Smash Bros. has a link to SmashWiki in the first sentence. Just to make this clear, I am in no way claiming affiliation with SmashWiki or NIWA. I just consider them the main knowledge on all things Smash Bros. and thought they'd be a good link to have for people who wanted more info.
Cool! good luck with it!
Quote from: Manga Maniac on January 20, 2011, 06:35:34 PM
Just want to say I've started a wiki about Game & Watch called "WatchWiki (http://gameandwatch.wikkii.com/wiki/Super_Smash_Bros._Brawl)". It's currently only got the one article, but I'm hoping soon enough it will have enough to join DAWN.
Btw, the page on Smash Bros. has a link to SmashWiki in the first sentence. Just to make this clear, I am in no way claiming affiliation with SmashWiki or NIWA. I just consider them the main knowledge on all things Smash Bros. and thought they'd be a good link to have for people who wanted more info.
Very nice. Assuming your wiki gets more developed, in the future we can likely arrange for some bidirectional linking.
I've also just a few seconds ago created "WarioInc (http://wario.wikkii.com/wiki/Main_Page)", which I also hope to get in DAWN. However, I will be focusing on WatchWiki for now. But in case anyone else feels like editing it, it's there.
Could Woofipedia (http://nintendogs.wikkii.com/wiki/Main_Page) or EarthBoundFanon (http://ebfanon.wikkii.com/wiki/Main_Page) join?
Quote from: RamblinEvilMushroomDS on January 22, 2011, 12:03:42 AM
Could Woofipedia (http://nintendogs.wikkii.com/wiki/Main_Page) or EarthBoundFanon (http://ebfanon.wikkii.com/wiki/Main_Page) join?
It's nice to see people getting really enthusiastic about D.A.W.N., but these two wikis are not eligible. It seems that Woofipedia is focused on Nintendogs, and D.A.W.N. already has a Nintendogs wiki member. Also, D.A.W.N. does not admit fanon encyclopedias - at least not at this time. I'm sorry, but these wikis don't exactly fit into the alliance. Don't take it personally. :-[
Regardless of their focus, the wikis do not meet membership requirements. For example, neither wiki boasts a polished main page. See this page (http://dawn.wikkii.com/wiki/Membership) for more information.
Just what qualifies as a polished main page? I mean, do these (http://wario.wikki.com/) three (http://yoshi.wikkii.com/) wikis (http://gameandwatch.wikkii.com/) count as having a polished main page? Or are there any specific needs?
Wario Wiki doesn't show up on my computer probably because the domain name is so new or something. The other two main pages are polished. I'm just saying it should be more than a header and a sentence. Chances are, if a main page has images, color, boxes, or templates, it will be considered polished.
On a side note, these are all great questions, but this thread is probably not the best place to ask them. For example, if someone has the same question, it would be difficult for them to navigate through a thread to find the information they are looking for. A better place for specific questions would probably be D.A.W.N.'s questions page (http://dawn.wikkii.com/wiki/Questions). This thread is better for conceptual questions and suggestions for the alliance.
Edit: WarioInc's main page is fine.
The minimum number of articles is 25, so none are eligable...
My goodness, so many new wikis. I hope they all get the attention they need to grow and prosper. Good luck to you all :)
Quote from: SuperAlpaca on January 22, 2011, 01:51:53 AM
The minimum number of articles is 25, so none are eligable...
I know that. But hopefully they will eventually reach 25 articles, and so its for the best if we already know they're main page is good enough.
I don't know if Yoshipedia is actually planning to join DAWN, btw. Those sorts of thingymajigs are up to SuperAlpaca.
EDIT: Just checked Super's user page. Yoshipedia
is planning to join DAWN eventually.
Hi KidIcarus, I do not plan on joining balloon.wikkii.com with DAWN. The reason being that no real community there exists and I feel that manipulation of the growth of Wikis without a community is wrong. I appreciate DAWN's respect for small-scale communities like for the contributors of Nintendogs Wikia and Drawn To Life Wiki (whom would appreciate small grammar fixes for instance) though the concept of nurturing brand-new Wikis without a community into an alliance seemed a little baseless. I think these brand-new Wikis should wait for a community (if they come at all) first and people should edit for an interest in the series, not just for the sake of their development. (Your message went off of the revision history and I couldn't see it, sorry!)
KidIcarus, how about setting up a forum or something similar on DAWN's wikkii site? It could just be the one thread, about just general wiki matters, in order to boost the sense of community.
After deliberations amongst the staff, we've come to a decision that further discussion of DAWN here on the NIWA forums is not appropriate, and that the presence of this topic here may lead to misunderstandings from those outside NIWA that we condone or support your group. We feel that you would be best off in taking discussions of DAWN to another forum, perhaps one you may start yourselves.
If you want to discuss this decision, I suggest contacting either myself or Axiomist via PM or Skype.