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Secondly, the mere idea that a probation from NIWA would get us active on the Wiki again is based on a false premise. Ever since we joined NIWA, the support we have received was extremely limited and that which we did gain was only focused on some Wiki articles. We've not had a single member who remained active for a period of, say, a month and join the actual community. And with that, I don't include those who joined and never left the Wars Wiki subforum. As a community, we've not benefited from this alliance at all, and it's safe to say probation would have zero impact on us as it simply doesn't garner any additional traffic or activity. Or, to put it simply; there is no tangible reward for us in being part of the alliance at the moment, so taking that away temporarily/permanently would have very little effect.

Ok, honestly, The Wars wiki community was never involved in NIWA either. So you can't blame niwa for not paying as much attention to Wars Wiki as it has to other members.

It's a fair enough point, and I am not blaming you in the least for not getting too involved; it's just the way things are, if said rather straight-forwardly. We've got difficulty enough to keep up with the bit of the site that does remain active now; even back when NIWA started and we became part of it, while we were more plentiful, we had trouble getting our own excited for Wars Wiki, and it always lacked in content for that reason.

My apologies if I my previous post gave the wrong impression (which might in part be due to my attitude in that post which I've been told is rather defensive, and on re-reading I have to agree with that :x); I am grateful for the help we did receive for the wiki, especially as I myself took something away from that experience (I know a lot more about the workings of a wiki now than I did before). It simply wasn't enough for the project to ever really take off. Whether any amount of support would have gotten it off the ground is something else...

moydow: if being part of an alliance brings exposure (and in turn benefits the wars community) than it is somewhat of a reward. as with any reward, this can be a motivator for editors

I was pointed to this thread by a fellow member of the Wars Central community, and let me just clarify why a probation from the alliance would not make people of our community more active on Wars Wiki. There are a few reasons, but let's start with one that concerns the entire community.

There simply are too few people around who actually care about the games, let alone the wiki. Our community is one that is- at least superficially- centered around a relatively niche game series that hasn't seen a new release in over 5 years by now. People grow up, they start new periods in their life, lose interest, leave the forums, and by now, the number of actual active members is reduced to a minimum. Just look at the Advance Wars sections of the actual forums; among the last 20 active topics there are those that haven't been posted in since 2011. There are those of us who still love the games, but after 5 years, well... You've probably discussed just about everything there is to be discussed as a community, you won't attract many new members based on the Wars games themselves and you need to adapt as a community to survive. We've done so, and even then we're barely holding on.

I've written a fair amount of Wars Wiki articles in the past, but I ran out of steam in no small part due to the fact it was simply an excercise in futility, for me. If people want to have support on the games, and knowledge, I am happy to share it, but I refuse to spend my time on writing articles that might very well never get read.

Secondly, the idea that a probation from NIWA would be detrimental to us is based on a false premise. Ever since we joined NIWA, the support we have received was extremely limited and that which we did gain was only focused on some Wiki articles. We've not had a single member who remained active for a period of, say, a month and join the actual community. And with that, I don't include those who joined and never left the Wars Wiki subforum. As a community, we've not benefited from this alliance at all, and it's safe to say probation would have zero impact on us as it simply doesn't garner any additional traffic or activity. Or, to put it simply; there is no tangible reward for us in being part of the alliance at the moment, so taking that away temporarily/permanently would have very little effect.

I am no webmaster or admin on the site, so do not take my words to be official policy or anything of the kind; I am simply portraying the situation as it is from our end. The one thing that could help us and increase interest in both the games and the wiki would be, well, a new game, but like many of my fellow Wars Central members I've lost faith in that ever happening again.