Is Peach a competent leader?

[Edofenrir]

I think she is not.


TO clarify, 100 mushroom coins dont make 99 beanbean coins beanbean coins are worth much less than mushroom coins. When Prince Peasley says he will give 99,999,999,999 coins to Mario and Luigi, that makes around 99 mushroom coins Just clarifying

You have it wrong, Tucayo. It is actually the other way around.

Peasley makes a bet and offers Mario and Luigi 99,999,999,999 Mushroom Coins. Due to the exchange rate, this equals 99 Beanbean Coins. Remember, you pay everything in that game with Beanbean Coins.

So Mushroom Coins are worth much less than Beanbean Coins, not the other way around. 

[tacopill]

At a risk of creating addicts, this actually covered in a tvtope article. do i dare post it?

[onetwentysix]

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Competent compared to what? Bowser? Daisy? Zelda? Or the "real" world's rulers? Do you honestly expect a video game character to exactly match up to earth's standards exactly?

You're both full of c***.  She is almost always being captured, she has no army, and she has allowed mushrooms to evolve legs, faces, and sentience. Even when she isn't, she's constantly running off on some vacation.

For that matter, do we even know if she's the ruler at all? How do we know there isn't a king?

Did you ever see a king? No? So no king.

By that logic, the soup chef Shimi made on the Poshley Express can't exist either, because it was eaten before the player could see it.

Now that's a completely different matter.

A king... I would love to sink a knife into his ribcage...
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And this proves that not only am I completely insane, but I am also capable of debating several different sides of an argument at once.

Peach is not a king, she is a monarch.

[onetwentysix]

besides, the toads are Peach's slave. I just wish there was a revolution like the French Revolution and the Mushroom Kingdom becomes a republic. (Let bowser invade Sarasaland so Daisy is forced to come to the Mushroom Kingdom and cause a rebellion duh.)

Right now Peach is a dictator like Adolf Hitler, wanting to get rid of all the stuff under Bowser's control. Stalin.
THe Japanese should make the Beanbean kingdom a democracy or something.

[Gamefreak75]

besides, the toads are Peach's slave. I just wish there was a revolution like the French Revolution and the Mushroom Kingdom becomes a republic. (Let bowser invade Sarasaland so Daisy is forced to come to the Mushroom Kingdom and cause a rebellion duh.)

Right now Peach is a dictator like Adolf Hitler, wanting to get rid of all the stuff under Bowser's control. Stalin.
THe Japanese should make the Beanbean kingdom a democracy or something.

When did we get into politics?

[Member#36]

The Toads aren't slaves, I don't know how that idea popped into your mind.

[Tucayo]

I think she is not.


TO clarify, 100 mushroom coins dont make 99 beanbean coins beanbean coins are worth much less than mushroom coins. When Prince Peasley says he will give 99,999,999,999 coins to Mario and Luigi, that makes around 99 mushroom coins Just clarifying

You have it wrong, Tucayo. It is actually the other way around.

Peasley makes a bet and offers Mario and Luigi 99,999,999,999 Mushroom Coins. Due to the exchange rate, this equals 99 Beanbean Coins. Remember, you pay everything in that game with Beanbean Coins.

So Mushroom Coins are worth much less than Beanbean Coins, not the other way around. 

Oh, sure, thanks So buying mushrooms for 30 coins in BB is not cheap

[tacopill]

Peach is not a king, she is a monarch.

Kings and Queens are gender-based titles for crowned monarchs in a Feudal European-Style Monarchy (Just as Sultan is the [I believe] Male head of a Islamic, and Nearly Sovereign, Territory).

Princesses and Princes are for Next-in-line for said crown, where as a "Crowned Prince" and "Crowded Princesses" are immediately next in line, taking precedence of non-crowned royalty.

besides, the toads are Peach's slave. I just wish there was a revolution like the French Revolution and the Mushroom Kingdom becomes a republic. (Let bowser invade Sarasaland so Daisy is forced to come to the Mushroom Kingdom and cause a rebellion duh.)

Right now Peach is a dictator like Adolf Hitler, wanting to get rid of all the stuff under Bowser's control. Stalin.

THe Japanese should make the Beanbean kingdom a democracy or something.

This would be difficult for the following reasons:
1) Politically: Establishing a democracy in a fictional land is a lot harder establishing a monarchy. Monarchy's have that "born-into-the-position" to fall back on, while a democracy (direct or republic) needs a constitution, elections, etc.
2) Popular Fiction: Then add on top of that, rescuing a social/political target has been in cultural-sphere since the beginning of story telling. 
3) Commercially: A majority of gamers are male, and they-re are going to want to rescue a princess to fulfill the old, "rescue a damsel in distress" fantasy. (Think: Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella)
4) Historically: Revolutions (which this would require) are a bloody mess, and is outside of what's considered appropriate for target audience of Mario Games.

Also:
5) PEACH IS NOTHING LIKE STALIN OR HITLER. She has no secret police, she doesn't promote racial superiority, and i doubt she is a genus and/or Insane. There are no internment camps, no communes, no government regulated commerce, no firing squads killing people in the middle of the night to install fear - None of that!

When did we get into politics?

It's kind of hard to to get into "competent leader", without discussing Political Science & Philosophy.

[onetwentysix]

Peach is not a king, she is a monarch.

Kings and Queens are gender-based titles for crowned monarchs in a Feudal European-Style Monarchy (Just as Sultan is the [I believe] Male head of a Islamic, and Nearly Sovereign, Territory).

Princesses and Princes are for Next-in-line for said crown, where as a "Crowned Prince" and "Crowded Princesses" are immediately next in line, taking precedence of non-crowned royalty.

besides, the toads are Peach's slave. I just wish there was a revolution like the French Revolution and the Mushroom Kingdom becomes a republic. (Let bowser invade Sarasaland so Daisy is forced to come to the Mushroom Kingdom and cause a rebellion duh.)

Right now Peach is a dictator like Adolf Hitler, wanting to get rid of all the stuff under Bowser's control. Stalin.

THe Japanese should make the Beanbean kingdom a democracy or something.

This would be difficult for the following reasons:
1) Politically: Establishing a democracy in a fictional land is a lot harder establishing a monarchy. Monarchy's have that "born-into-the-position" to fall back on, while a democracy (direct or republic) needs a constitution, elections, etc.
2) Popular Fiction: Then add on top of that, rescuing a social/political target has been in cultural-sphere since the beginning of story telling. 
3) Commercially: A majority of gamers are male, and they-re are going to want to rescue a princess to fulfill the old, "rescue a damsel in distress" fantasy. (Think: Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella)
4) Historically: Revolutions (which this would require) are a bloody mess, and is outside of what's considered appropriate for target audience of Mario Games.

Also:
5) PEACH IS NOTHING LIKE STALIN OR HITLER. She has no secret police, she doesn't promote racial superiority, and i doubt she is a genus and/or Insane. There are no internment camps, no communes, no government regulated commerce, no firing squads killing people in the middle of the night to install fear - None of that!

When did we get into politics?

It's kind of hard to to get into "competent leader", without discussing Political Science & Philosophy.

What do you mean by "Crowded Princesses"?

I think she is not.


TO clarify, 100 mushroom coins dont make 99 beanbean coins beanbean coins are worth much less than mushroom coins. When Prince Peasley says he will give 99,999,999,999 coins to Mario and Luigi, that makes around 99 mushroom coins Just clarifying

You have it wrong, Tucayo. It is actually the other way around.

Peasley makes a bet and offers Mario and Luigi 99,999,999,999 Mushroom Coins. Due to the exchange rate, this equals 99 Beanbean Coins. Remember, you pay everything in that game with Beanbean Coins.

So Mushroom Coins are worth much less than Beanbean Coins, not the other way around. 

Oh, sure, thanks So buying mushrooms for 30 coins in BB is not cheap

This is why you should save your money in Beanbean Coins (or save it in Canadian Dollars and money)

[tacopill]

What do you mean by "Crowded Princesses"?

Sorry, i should of put "crowned", not "crowded".

[onetwentysix]

The Toads aren't slaves, I don't know how that idea popped into your mind.

Well, people at the Super Mario Wiki, notably Travix Man, say that toads are slaves.

[Naesala]

The Toads aren't slaves, I don't know how that idea popped into your mind.

Well, people at the Super Mario Wiki, notably Travix Man, say that toads are slaves.

still just his opinion

[tacopill]

The Toads aren't slaves, I don't know how that idea popped into your mind.

Well, people at the Super Mario Wiki, notably Travix Man, say that toads are slaves.

still just his opinion

this is true. We don't see any terms-of-sale.

[Member#36]

Opinions make the world go round', but I think referring to them as "slaves" is a bit melodramatic. 

One could argue that there is no in-game proof that they are slaves... but one could counter argue that there is also no in-game proof against it either.  However, Mario games are made to be played by people of all ages, and so Nintendo wouldn't deliberately put adult themes and such in a game rated by the ESRB as E or K-A.  In M-rated games, sure, but the Mario series never had such a game thus far. 

This whole discussion is stupid, as it was brought up multiple times that none of us have seen Peach well enough as a ruler to pick a side.  With this, the entire thing will just continue to go in a circle and not go anywhere.  I would lock it, but I don't wish to be a heavy-handed mod with almost no clue of what to do.

[Tucayo]

They are not slaves.... Since they are the main inhabitants of Mushroom Kingdom, specially Toad Town, it is normal that they have jobs like guards, etc.

[Naesala]

Opinions make the world go round', but I think referring to them as "slaves" is a bit melodramatic.  


This whole discussion is stupid, as it was brought up multiple times that none of us have seen Peach well enough as a ruler to pick a side.  With this, the entire thing will just continue to go in a circle and not go anywhere.  I would lock it, but I don't wish to be a heavy-handed mod with almost no clue of what to do.

at least there is a discussion here, which is why I made it in the first place, but I guess I'll lock it for the reason you stated

[Tucayo]

This was a fun topic, its a shame you are locking it.... But as it is your topic, it is your decission

[Member#36]

Wait:

1)When could normal members lock their own threads?
2)I left it open because I wasn't sure if it deserves to be locked.

[Tucayo]

Wait:

1)When could normal members lock their own threads?
2)I left it open because I wasn't sure if it deserves to be locked.

It's their choice when to lock them, that is why I respect Lord Ferrok's decision to do whatever he wants

[Member#36]

The feature will have a 100% chance of being abused.  But, I suppose it's fine for now since the active members are trustworthy.