NintendoWiki talk:Coverage

Characters and Locations

Wait, NOW we are also covering Characters and locations? Tucayo (Talk)

My initial thought is that they shouldn't be, but then there are characters from series that don't come under the coverage of any other NIWA wiki. Then again, I still don't think those ones would warrant having their own pages, but need a bit more than just the name, in a list. I'm thinking a paragraph on each notable character on series pages for which no NIWA wiki exists (or, if there are lots of characters, on individual game pages), then just list the more unimportant characters. - GP _talk 14:55, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

So, do you mean, like this? if not, then what's different? Tacopill (Talk) 16:03, 5 March 2011 (UTC).

Fanon

I have a question that i am interested with... Can we make a subdomain for Fanon? This would make Pikmin Fanon not as lonely. Peanut64

Wait, are you talking on the wiki or in niwa over all? Tacopill 01:03, 30 October 2010 (UTC).

Television Shows

It seems kind of backwards that NIWA would cover pop culture references but not TV shows. Isn't TV part of pop culture anyway? Of course NIWA wouldn't need an article for each episode and every minor detail, but an article that gives an overview of the series and some articles for the main characters seem in line. That's how I see it at least. --Vince220 18:54, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

TV shows are, but there are tv shows devoted to a specific franchise that don't belong on this wiki. "Pop culture" on the other hand,isn't. Tacopill 03:37, 29 November 2010 (UTC).

ie. Captain N would go here, since it's a franchise crossover thing. The Super Mario Super Show probably would as well, in some small capacity, since it included both Mario and Zelda cartoons. The cartoons that were pure Mario would only get stubs though, redirecting visitors to Super Mario Wiki. Archaic 22:54, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Things not by Nintendo

I have a question. Even if the topic is related to Nintendo (as in notable to Nintendo) but not endorsed by Nintendo though it has had significant impact on Nintendo (e.g. the early rivalry between Nintendo and Sega through "propaganda wars"), is it not cover-able? --75.126.149.175 13:28, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

That is coverable, because it was or is influenced by Nintendo or Nintendo influenced it. Tacopill (Talk) 19:46, 10 December 2010 (UTC).

Thanks for the quick response! --75.126.149.175 21:22, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Out of curiosity, is there a reason you aren't logged in when you edit? Tacopill (Talk) 21:31, 10 December 2010 (UTC).

No, none in particular other than not having an account yet. I'm sorry if anonymous edits here are discouraged (on an unrelated note this is Torchickens from the niwanetwork forums). --75.126.149.175 21:46, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

It's not discouraged, but it seems you have been adding a lot to the wiki, and it's harder to communicate with a random ip instead of a user. Just my opinion, though. Tacopill (Talk) 22:06, 10 December 2010 (UTC).

Wait, this is really strange. User contributions suggests that I have made numerous edits but I only recall making edits from 21:22 and up (GMT+0) today. How did this happen? --Torchickens 22:21, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

It's like every anonymous user here is given the same IP address. My IP address is not 75.126.149.175, it is 81.103.186.25. --Torchickens 22:35, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

It's a side effect of the servers. Niwanetwork.org and N-Wiki are hosted on Bulbagarden server 1. The IP that's showing for all the anonymous users would be the IP of the load balancer that directs traffic between Bulbagarden servers 1 through 5. I'm fairly sure we fixed that problem over on Bulbapedia, not sure why it didn't carry on over here. Must've forgotten to make some file edit or something. Will investigate it. Archaic 22:56, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Ah, ok. My mistake. Still i'd much rather talk to a user than an IP. personal preference, not Wiki policy, as far as i know. Tacopill (Talk) 01:24, 11 December 2010 (UTC).

Japanese or English?

Well, this is sorta weird but for Dōbutsu no Mori (The japanese game on the N64) should I call it Dōbutsu no Mori or Animal Forest it's meaning. Please get back to me as soon as possible!--クマトラ 23:48, 22 December 2010 (UTC)Kumatora (Oh and the only reason I started using the japanese characters that spell Kumatora is I think it looks cooler than in regular writing!)

This is just my personal opinion, but i would go with whatever is official.

1. If there is an official English name, go with that.
2. If there's a official Translation, go with that.

As much as i would like to have it in Japanese, most of our target audience can't type in it. Tacopill (Talk) 00:56, 23 December 2010 (UTC). Tacopill (Talk) 00:56, 23 December 2010 (UTC).

Ok, I'll call the article Animal Forest--クマトラ 13:39, 23 December 2010 (UTC)クマトラ

Sounds good. Keep in mind, the {{game infobox}} has room for the Japanese text and its translation. Tacopill (Talk) 21:35, 24 December 2010 (UTC).

Expanding Coverage

When the wiki started, one of the goals with it was to be a place for franchises that was too small to support a wiki on their own. It could also work as an incubator, should it grow big enough (say, 25 or more articles).

So, something I came up with for Square Enix Wiki, I want to propose for here: existing articles for games/franchises/etc. that don't have a wiki of their own in NIWA get subpages for content within.

Games and Franchises I could see this being useful with: Balloon Fight, Pocket Rurubu: Osaka, Kyōkara Hajimeru Facening: KaoTre Mini 1 – Sukkiri Chōkao Course and Nintendogs series

Let me know what you think. Tacopill (Talk) 00:35, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. -- Prod (talk) 03:12, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Overall, I think this idea is nice. Nintendo has smaller games and franchises that may never get their own wikis and could get more pages to properly cover their content.

Unfortunately, for the ones you mentioned, I'm not really familiar with either. I have only played Nintendogs years ago but I don't know enough about it to help with pages.

However, although you didn't mention it, would maybe the Rhythm Heaven series be worth to invest on? It's a first party series with four (five if you count the arcade game) entries that has tons of content to cover. It's quite niche but I personally love it and I have played all its games (minus the arcade one), and I could help making more pages for it. (And if it ever went to become a wiki, I would love to help said wiki as well, but maybe I'm thinking too ahead, heh.) The only downside is that I currently don't have access to most of the games to properly help cover them, but I will next month, so I would probably have to wait to start with this if this kicks off. But in any case, I figured it would be worth to mention. Gigi (talk) 03:55, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

I think it would work well for it. :)

We should make a list of games/franchises/etc. that this is approved for. Tacopill (Talk) 13:23, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Support! Maybe we could have sub-pages for them like Rhythm Heaven/(Minigame name) ^^ From Evie (Torchickens) ✿ 12:12, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Alright, I don't think anyone's opposing it, or has more to say on the matter. Consider it approved. I recommend we decide on a case-by-case basis which games and franchises get it, along with any other details people can think of (like how to organize pages, template naming conventions, etc.).

I'm trying to come up with text to put on the main coverage page. What do you think of it so far?

=== Games with expanded coverage ===
Certain games (and franchises, as needed) get expanded coverage in the form of subpages. 

To qualify, it'll need to meet the following guidelines: 
# No other wiki in NIWA can claim coverage over the franchise or series that the game falls under. This means no Mario, Zelda or Pokemon. This includes StrategyWiki. 
# The number of articles, templates, files and other pages should be kept to a small amount (~25 articles for instance).  
# No more than 5 games per franchise 

These aren't hard numbers or rules. 

If you think a game qualifies, be sure to discuss it before starting the process. Simiarly, if you think a game needs to have all the related pages deleted, it should be discussed. 

It was recommenced on one of the discord servers that we keep it the decisions to one game at a time, but I'm thinking that might not work for some franchises, so I added rule #3 based on it.

Tacopill (Talk) 01:48, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Third-party installments of first-party franchises

So, in the infobox explaining what games get articles or not, the "Type of coverage" box for Mario's Time Machine (i.e. 3rd-party installments of 1st-party franchises) states that it gets no article, despite the fact that Mario's Time Machine does have a semi-constructed section on the "List of third party Mario games" article. I feel this should be changed to at least "Mention" instead to accommodate for this. 172.90.121.145 17:17, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Updated it. Thanks From Evie (Torchickens) ✿ 22:47, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

A question regarding the Bayonetta 2 box

Is it supposed to be an explanation for games not (mainly) developed by Nintendo in general, or just games (mainly) developed by companies that Nintendo doesn't own? If it's the latter, I suggest making a separate box for games where Nintendo isn't the (main) developer, but a subsidiary of theirs is. To give an example:

Name	Type of coverage	Reason
Xenoblade Chronicles	Article	Xenoblade Chronicles is only published by Nintendo, but is developed by Monolith Soft, a subsidiary of Nintendo.

(unsigned comment by 172.68.189.165)

Good idea. All Nintendo-published games can be covered so games not developed by Nintendo themselves or a third party are covered if they're published by Nintendo. The table is really examples of what is allowed on the wiki and what and isn't, but could maybe be better organised. It's true like with your example (Xenoblade Chronicles); some companies that seem to be third-parties have Nintendo ownership (e.g. a portion of financial stock ownership. Also in the case of NDCube we allowed NDCube games not published by Nintendo since the stock ownership by Nintendo is so great). From Evie (Torchickens) ✿ 23:42, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Tube Slider example

So I've noticed that NDcube is the only Nintendo subsidiary whose exclusively third-party published games (i.e. ones that are not published by Nintendo anywhere) have pages on this Wiki. 1-Up Studio (which has developed Heroes of Mana, Blue Dragon Plus, and Livly Garden for the DS, none of which were published by Nintendo), Monolith Soft, and Next Level Games have also developed games that were not published by Nintendo in any region (and in the case of Monolith and Next Level, some of which were released on non-Nintendo consoles such as the PlayStation series or Xbox series), yet none of their games that only qualify for the "Tube Slider" example have pages. I know this Wiki is rather notorious for not being very productive, but still.

Though honestly, I'm not really sure if the "Tube Slider" example is really worth noting as an example of what qualifies for a page on this Wiki. It honestly sounds like something that relies very much on semantics (meaning it's an all-or-nothing kind of deal), and when you consider the fact that a company like Monolith has made games that were exclusive to non-Nintendo consoles (such as Xenosaga Episode III and Namco x Capcom, both of which are exclusive to the PlayStation 2), there's also the complexity of whether those games (as well as games released prior to a subsidiary's acquisition) should also count or not. The Jacketed Terrapin of the Turtle Tribe 15:10, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, mixed thoughts in this case too. ND Cube games were allowed because the shares (98% owned by Nintendo) were used as a quantative measure of "ownership", but more accurately it's a lot more complex than that; and should other subsidiaries with lesser shares count? We could say 51%+ but the share thing is a very narrow exception; legal ownership is more than just shares e.g. if something is copyright Nintendo should that count too? I'll forward this to the Discord if someone hasn't already. From Evie (Torchickens) ✿ 21:18, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Edit, Tacopill did already but I'll tell him I gave some input. From Evie (Torchickens) ✿ 21:19, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

I'd also like to add this wiki has always took a quantitative approach in this, while perhaps some games are most of the time qualitatively (in terms of the communities view on that game) viewed as "Nintendo games" even if they have no legal connection other than licensing; examples being the universes (series) of some of the third party Smash characters. From Evie (Torchickens) ✿ 21:23, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Expanding NWiki coverage to include pages for other wikis (see below)

I'm proposing to expand NWiki's coverage to include wikis outside of NIWA. As of now, Zelda Chaos is the only non-NIWA wiki that has a dedicated page, alongside this list of wikis that are within this article. Extending this coverage would mean we would have pages for:

• Encyclopædiæ Pokémonis and its wikis
• Mushroom World Encyclopedia
• Affiliates (Wikimon, Kingdom Hearts Wiki, Jojo's Bizarre Encyclopedia)
• Other Nintendo-related wikis (Animal Crossing Wiki (DE), PidgiWiki, The Cutting Room Floor)

What do you think? -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 18:11, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Support. From Evie (Torchickens) ✿ 17:54, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

I support the idea in general, we but may want to come up with a criteria for which ones are included. E.g. Groups of wikis that contain NIWA members, are resources the wikis use, have a presence in the community. Tacopill (Talk) 22:28, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Ah, so what would that be? -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 00:11, 13 May 2021 (UTC)